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IRIS say Windows 7 compliance by 2nd half 2010

The UK's IRIS software group intends to have certified support for Microsoft Windows 7 in all its Windows based products by the 2nd half of 2010. The company already supports Windows 7 within several of its legal and accountancy practice solutions. New versions of its accounting, payroll, charity, project management, membership and other solutions will adopt the new Microsoft operating system as part of the next two rounds of enhancements and updates.

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So, what Legal providers are able to supply a Windows 7 compatible product at the moment?

You'd expect most providers to provide some sort of Windows 7 compatibility in 2010, but in all honesty firms looking to move to Windows 7 would we wise to wait for SP1 before even considering it. I'm writing this in Windows 7, and I can tell you that although it's relatively stable, better than Vista and has a new interface that truly does provide tangible benefits, there are still a number of driver and product compatibility issues, some of them specific to software that businesses use. For someone with a modicum of 'IT savy' it's workable but were I a CIO I would not be rolling this out in my organisation right now. Sorry Mr Gates… almost there…

Obviously. Having had a look around I can't actually find any other legal software providers that do apart from IRIS.
Also the suspicious lack of trumpet blowing normally found from some providers here makes me think that no other suppliers have software that does merit the certification.

Hi,
I work in the ISV team at Microsoft UK (I look after the relationship with Iris amongst others) and I would to hear more about the compatibility issues you are seeing.
To clear some things up, the Iris press release for the legal team was specifically saying that Iris DO support Windows 7 – they have many, many products and while some support Windows 7 fully today, it will take a while for the full list to move to Windows 7 support, however they do have legal software for you to use today.
On the “wait for SP1” note – even big analyst firms like Gartner are saying “don't wait for SP1”. Also, Microsoft can't supply drivers and support if the hardware manufacturer has gone bust or no longer supports the devices. I can help find out which camp things are in, so let me know and I will help. If I become overwhelmed with responses I might be limited in what I can do, however most of the time when I make these offers almost no-one replies. Also, sometimes the answer might not be a “we will fix it”, but a “no”.
To try to make this easier Microsoft release “XP Mode” which enables a copy of Windows XP to run inside Windows 7 for those applications that are really stubborn. It also allows drivers for things like USB devices to be installed inside the XP Mode system where Win 7 or Vista drivers don't exist.
Looking forward to some feedback!!
David Overton

I think you'll find my learned friend that there is a considerable difference between a vendor saying they support their software on Windows 7 and it actually being certified 'Compatible with Windows 7' by Microsoft. I suspect that, as is always the case in these situations that other vendors have indeed already tried to pass the certification (any forward thinking vendor would have been jumping on this weeks ago) but have indeed come up short of the mark and are thus keeping quiet for the time being.

or failing keeping quiet, dare i suggest that they are telling their clients to wait until SP1 as a smokescreen to them fixing the inherent probems with their appliciation

Windows Certified compatibility needs to be looked at in several ways:
1) The ISV WANTS Microsoft to sign off not just on the application, but it's install and uninstall processes and the way it uses the PC
2) The ISV is happy to pay Microsoft for the logo
3) The ISV believes that having the logo is important
Many of the ISVs I work with do not care about #1 at all, so don't even bother to run the tests. Most who run the tests end up passing as the process is iterative and free until you have cleaned up the application. It is worth noting that we have more apps passed for Windows 7 than we had for a long time for Windows XP and most of the apps available for XP still do not carry the logo. Not because they can't, but because users use it without, so why have the expense.
Still happy to hear about ISVs that won't support their solution on WIndows 7.
David

One factor that needs mentioning is supply & demand: there's not a lot of point in ISVs busting a gut to launch an early Win 7 product when their users are still happily running on XP (& in some cases earlier) platforms and are in no hurry to upgrade the OS (which in many instances will also involve hardware upgrades). In fact some firms are still laying off staff (forecasts suggest 2010 will see more heavy job losses for UK law firms) so new IT systems are the last thing on their mind.
The one area where Win 7 is vital is where firms are deeply unhappy with/have totally crappy legacy systems & need to move now + be sure they are moving to a state-of-the-art product & not more of yesterday's technology. CC

Interesting to see IRIS stating things like this as my favourite PR from them in recent years was them saying they’ll be “.Net within 4 to 5 years” – blimey only about 10 years behind us then!
(Editor's Note: this was actually an Arlene Adams era strategy statement saying IRIS would have a consolidated .NET platform by 2012.)

I am a user of Iris's legacy system written originally by Mountain Software using Microsoft Visual FoxPro and my version is 2002. This, I have been told, will be supported until 2011 although I suspect with the numbers of users and the delays in conversion they may be forced to extend this.
I would be very interested to know how this application which I do not believe is even wholly 32-bit will be certified for Windows 7.

Interesting indeed, so I believe you are a little behind the times. I think recent posts in here have indicated that iris have a full .net based application in iris law business which has been certified by a number of microsoft platform tests and I believe a recent post regarding their product stratgey suggested that investment has been put towards developing a web based and workflow enabled version. So maybe Arlene wasn't as wide of the mark as you may think.

As an ex Mountain user on the visual foxpro system, this system ran perfectly fine under a Windows vista environment so supporting this product under windows 7 should be relatively straight forward

Don't get me wrong – I love Windows 7, it's a really solid platform. Some of the issues I've faced:
The Citrix Xenapp client is very buggy. Sometimes just fails to load session with no error – just looks like it's launching and then stops, sometimes freezes mid session. On reboot the client launches mutliple sessions and it takes 5 or 6 times clicking cancel to make the client pop-up stay minimised.
Adobe Acrobat – Sometimes need to save twice, sometimes saying it has saved only to find the PDF a blank page or pages. Sometimes just fails without providing error.
MS Office applications saying that they cannot save whilst working on a current document forcing the user to save the file to a new name, delete the original and then rename the document.
Outlook freezing whilst it checks for mail and synchs folders. I think this one may be Outlook, but didn't seem to happen as often prior to W7.
All these issues are intermittent, and did not happen prior to W7. I'm happy to work through them, but as I said – I wouldn't deploy firmwide becuase of these. Can't imagine the headaches my 'very non-technical' users would cause me as a result.
Oh – all this on a Dell Lattitude laptop less than 12 months old so more than meets required spec.
I”m sure fixes will come…

We are talking about “certifying” not just functioning! Mountain struggled with every new OS release both on desktop and server. It was only the merger with Meridian that brought Microsoft Gold Partner status, ie they bought it rather than trained for it.
A year ago of their customer base of around 500 firms it was estimated they had less than fifty sites on .NET, and at the conversion rate of one a week they IRIS would have to extend support until 2018!

How difficult can it be to get Windows 7 compatibility – there's even a website offering English-to-Klingon translations that offers Win 7 support. (For Klingon language fonts since you ask.)

Now now people, tis the season to be jolly, I think, given the spirit of the season that :
a) Iris should be commended on achieving said Windows 7 Compatibility for the respective products listed in the previous link
b) Likewise for FWBS, as CC pointed out, while it may not mean that much to some vendors, for the customer looking to move products it provides some comfort when it comes to making the decision of which vendors product to select.
PS, on the FWBS front, Second place is just the first loser, but well done anyway 🙂

This is probably not the forum to discuss further. My e-mail address can be found on the web site from my profile.
Office and Citrix I can look at as I also manage the Citrix relationship in the UK. Adobe, well, they are a force unto themselves, but I'm sure all information is useful.
Thanks
David

You seem to have missed the poster's point. The majority of IRIS-Mountain customers are still using the Visual FoxPro system which must now be regarded as legacy (and that's probably being polite)! Has this old product been certified for Windows 7?

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